Curse

Avarre · Aug 07, 2009, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Wynthyst

Do any of you read anything other than this forum?

I'll make my judgments of the devs' actions by what is done to the game, not what is said on the internet, thanks. It's great that she notes a valid problem, but so does every person in Guild Wars over the last four years.

Amnel Ithtirsol · Aug 07, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09

SF is fun. Mindless fun. And that suits some people better than others.

It's about the target market. Most of the good players have moved on to alternatives, but, Anet still needs to keep their remaining player base happy.

SF sin is all most remaining players know how to play so ANet can never take it away from them. If you're looking for diversity and challenge in a game, look elsewhere, because you wont find it here.

Targren · Aug 07, 2009, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by vandevere

Looks like Linsey's tired of the nerfbat too...

Hopefully, she'll find a good alternative...

I love Linsey. I want to send her a fruit basket.

AtomicMew · Aug 07, 2009, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Toxic OnyX

@TraverSC
Feather farming nets you a similar profit, true, apart from the odd good drop from UWSC, but what do ppl feather farm with? yu Perma's (amongst other things)

Yeah that would be true, except for the fact that you just admitted to not having a damn clue what you are talking about. There are a thousand different feather farming builds, NONE of which are permas. Also, if you admit feather farming nets similar profit, you are basically admitting there is no economic reason to nerf UWSC.

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as for running a perma needing concentration are you kidding me, you have at least 3 seconds in which to cast SF that is the only bit of concentration you need, having to watch for the SF light blinking ready to be re-applied.

Yeah, there's no reason at ALL 9/10 UWSC pugs fail. Also, it's not 3 seconds, when you factor in cast time and latency. You can also lag spike and die with no recourse. It's not as easy as you make it out to be. Some areas are harder than others. Almost all areas can die even with SF up. All areas can fail even without losing SF.

I think what most people here complaining don't understand is that Permas are completely useless in general PvE. It is only used in farming and SC, which, let's face it, is another type of farming. If there is a problem here, it is not about Permas but about th concept of farming. It's obvious that you can farm other places than UW and net similar if not higher profit. The reason people do UWSC instead is because it is not monotonous and presents at least a little challenge to the average player.

You can QQ all you want about how easy perma is for you. I don't really care what you think of the game, but at least be honest:
1) Permas do not actually hurt the so-called economy.
2) There are far easier farms that net just as good profit

SlipknotOFA · Aug 07, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Taixen

Hehe.

If they do nerf it, people will just find a new way to speed clear. If there is a change I hope that it's making UW harder, instead of changing SF again which will inevitably just cause lots of QQ here, there and well, everywhere.

You be crazy to think they are nerfing that. Can I have some of what you are smoking?

Simath · Aug 07, 2009, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by traversc

Permas do not actually hurt the so-called economy.

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

Targren · Aug 07, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Simath

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

Cute images notwithstanding, he's not the one who thinks there's an "economy" in a system with unlimited supply...

Simath · Aug 07, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Targren

Cute images notwithstanding, he's not the one who thinks there's an "economy" in a system with unlimited supply...

I'm glad you thought it was cute <3. I've got a whole folder full, if you want to see.

Targren · Aug 07, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Simath

I'm glad you thought it was cute <3. I've got a whole folder full, if you want to see.

No thanks. I'm already obsessed now with determining the SOURCE image for that one.

Damn you...

slowerpoke · Aug 07, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by wiki

Shadow Form, MB and 600Smite are all problems with the format they are prevalent in. I don't want to nerf SF (though I think about it for every update), I want to fix the problems in UW/FoW/DoA. I'm still on the fence about 600smite on whether I should hit the build itself or the areas that are supposed to be high-end yet can be farmed with it. We have been discussing the MB ele at length, but as we see it, the problem is with the tiebreaker not the build. There are other builds that do the same thing as the MB ele, so just nerfing it isn't actually going to fix anything. So we are going to continue to work on the tiebreaker instead. Changes like that need more careful consideration than normal so it takes longer to get something onto Live. - Image:User Linsey Murdock sig.jpgLinsey talk 18:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess you'd better not hold your breath for a SF nerf.

AtomicMew · Aug 07, 2009, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Simath

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

If it weren't for the ability to do SCs, a lot of players would have quit a long time ago.

The complaints people bring up against permas and UWSC are not actually arguments against permas and UWSC, but rather arguments against farming in general. Again, you can feather farm and net similar profit. But that's insanely boring and most people wouldn't be able to stand it. UWSC and other SCs allow people to "farm" while not being bored out of their minds.

If you kill SCs, farming will be relegated to people who are willing to perform utterly mindless tasks over and over again.

The only logical recourse the argument takes is that farming must necessarily be mindless and boring. If you think that, that's fine, but it's your opinion. If so, you need to go ahead and say it and stop hiding.

Simath · Aug 07, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by traversc

If it weren't for the ability to do SCs, a lot of players would have quit a long time ago.

Thanks for bringing up the pathetic state of this game.

Danax · Aug 07, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by traversc

If it weren't for the ability to do SCs, a lot of players would have quit a long time ago.

The complaints people bring up against permas and UWSC are not actually arguments against permas and UWSC, but rather arguments against farming in general. Again, you can feather farm and net similar profit. But that's insanely boring and most people wouldn't be able to stand it. UWSC and other SCs allow people to "farm" while not being bored out of their minds.

If you kill SCs, farming will be relegated to people who are willing to perform utterly mindless tasks over and over again.

The only logical recourse the argument takes is that farming must necessarily be mindless and boring. If you think that, that's fine, but it's your opinion. If so, you need to go ahead and say it and stop hiding.

Plus chest has chance for phatter loot

AtomicMew · Aug 08, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Simath

Thanks for bringing up the pathetic state of this game.

You're right. I'm glad were now in agreement. Now stop trying to kill what's left to enjoy in the game just because you don't enjoy it, Mr. troll wins flawless victory.

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Originally Posted by Danax

Plus chest has chance for phatter loot

Getting an eblade or VSF from the chest is like winning the lottery. It's so rare, that it hardly affects the expected value from UWSC.

Sarevok Thordin · Aug 08, 2009, 06:23 PM // 18:23

I want realm SC teams to be nerfed so other classes can actually play in those areas without being told SF or GTFO.

Screw the farmers, they've had their time

Targren · Aug 08, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

I want realm SC teams to be nerfed so other classes can actually play in those areas without being told SF or GTFO.

Screw the farmers, they've had their time

There are a bunch of people here that agree with you. If the lot of you either grouped up together, or went to make your own non-SC pugs, then all this supposed plethora of non-UWSCers who want to play your way would have an option.

Fix your own problems instead of QQing that its a problem with the game and demanding Anet screw over the majority (by your own argument, those who want to SC are the majority) to suit you.

Bryant Again · Aug 08, 2009, 07:01 PM // 19:01

If less than a full team is able to clear an area, something is up. No exception.

BadgerzFTW · Aug 08, 2009, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

I want realm SC teams to be nerfed so other classes can actually play in those areas without being told SF or GTFO.

Screw the farmers, they've had their time

Yeah, but, the problem here is that assassins in PvE are completely useless without SF. you said it yourself, SF or GTFO is how it is with assassins, not other classes. Other classes actually have a use in most everything else, including most other SC's. Maybe some even have more than one use! (besides paragons). Devoting most of a bar to dagger attacks is useless in PvE, and critscythe is decent but most groups would rather use something else.

Bryant Again · Aug 08, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by BadgerzFTW

Yeah, but, the problem here is that assassins in PvE are completely useless without SF. you said it yourself, SF or GTFO is how it is with assassins, not other classes. Other classes actually have a use in most everything else, including most other SC's. Maybe some even have more than one use! (besides paragons). Devoting most of a bar to dagger attacks is useless in PvE, and critscythe is decent but most groups would rather use something else.

The fact that Sins are underpowered (and don't work too well in PvE anyways) doesn't give much excuse for them to essentially break the game.

Arkantos · Aug 08, 2009, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

If less than a full team is able to clear an area, something is up. No exception.

Well, not really. A 6 man balanced team is going to be able to complete most 8 man areas if they're good enough.

However, when 2 assassins are able to clear UW in 30 minutes, something is up, no exception.